[Ip-health] New Tufts study on R&D costs

Nicole H kikseven2 at gmail.com
Sat Nov 15 11:08:57 PST 2014


I'd like to jump in with just a bit less than the lowest bidder (if that's
a fair way to bet)  -- right now at 1.54 or so. All best, -Nicole

On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Mohga Kamal-Yanni <
mkamalyanni at oxfam.org.uk> wrote:

> As far as I remember the "Holly Patent" is not written in the Koran (which
> is the book directly dictated from God). Perhaps it is in other religions.
>
>
> Best wishes مع أطيب التحيات
> ___________________________________
> Mohga (Dictating to the computer so please forgive silly mistakes) also
> have computer problems so please forgive delays
> Mohga M Kamal-Yanni
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> From:   Michael H Davis <m.davis at csuohio.edu>
> To:     Dean Baker <Dean.Baker1 at verizon.net>,
> "ip-health at lists.keionline.org" <ip-health at lists.keionline.org>,
> Date:   15/11/2014 15:14
> Subject:        Re: [Ip-health] New Tufts study on R&D costs
> Sent by:        "Ip-health" <ip-health-bounces at lists.keionline.org>
>
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>
> My understanding is that God did give us patents but it was intended as a
> challenge, much like the Apple and the snake, to see if we were minimally
> smart enough to resist. We weren't and aren't.
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: Dean Baker <Dean.Baker1 at verizon.net>
> Date:11/15/2014 10:07 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: ip-health at lists.keionline.org
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: [Ip-health] New Tufts study on R&D costs
>
> I actually like the really big numbers because it is a great argument
> for the growing inefficiency of patent supported drug
> research, but that is only meaningful in a political and intellectual
> context where we can discuss alternatives. Most folks
> in this area seem to think that god gave us patents.
>
>
>
>
> On 11/15/2014 9:14 AM, Mohga Kamal-Yanni wrote:
> > Hi
> > A few years ago I challenged a pharma CEO about the "cost of RD" and
> said
> > would you come any say it is 1.7 (2 years ago) and then  2,  2.3
> > afterwards. He said: yes , to which I said: but cannot you see that this
> > is unsustainable in rich countries let alone Dev countries. He shrugged
> > his shoulders.
> >
> > So can I have 2 bids? 1.8 and 2.3?
> > Like Ellen I would donate the money back to KEI - a great NGO deserving
> > all support possible.
> >
> >
> > Best wishes مع أطيب التحيات
> > ___________________________________
> > Mohga (Dictating to the computer so please forgive silly mistakes) also
> > have computer problems so please forgive delays
> > Mohga M Kamal-Yanni
> > Senior health & HIV policy advisor, Oxfam GB
> > John Smith Drive, Oxford, OX4 2JY, UK (GMT, CET-1, EDT+5, EST+6)
> > UK Mobile   + 44 (0)777 62 55 884
> > Follow me @MohgaKamalYanni
> >
> >
> >
> > From:   "Ellen 't Hoen" <elisabeththoen at gmail.com>
> > To:     "Mr. James Love" <james.love at keionline.org>,
> > Cc:     Ip-health <ip-health at lists.keionline.org>
> > Date:   15/11/2014 06:31
> > Subject:        Re: [Ip-health] New Tufts study on R&D costs
> > Sent by:        "Ip-health" <ip-health-bounces at lists.keionline.org>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I wanted to say  2.1 Bn but that one is taken so 2.2 Bn
> > If I win I will double the amount (the 50 not the 2.2Bn) and donate it
> > back to KEI.
> >
> > Ellen
> > -----------------------------------------
> > Ellen 't Hoen, LLM
> > Medicines Law & Policy
> > phone FR: +33 (0)695048388
> > phone NL: +31 (0) 637530700
> >
> > e-mail: ellenthoen.ip at gmail.com
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 14 Nov 2014, at 18:35, Jamie Love <james.love at keionline.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Next week, a new version of the Tufts study on R&D costs will be
> > released.
> >> KEI will give $50 to the person who comes the closed in predicting the
> > new
> >> figure for the cost of R&D for the lead indication of a new chemical
> > entity.
> >> An abstract of the earlier 2003 study,"The price of innovation: new
> >> estimates of drug development costs" is available here:
> >>
> >> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12606142
> >>
> >>
> >> The 2003 study put the number at $802 million (not $800 million, but
> > $802
> >> million), in 2000 dollars.
> >>
> >> As I said, $50 for the closest estimate, published on IP-Health, before
> > the
> >> new number is announced (or leaked).
> >>
> >> Jamie
> >>
> >> --
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> >> +41.76.413.6584, twitter.com/jamie_love
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